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#82358 - 07/10/07 10:57 PM
Marine VHF to land radio
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Speedy Petey
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Can anyone point me to the actual text saying you cannot use a marine VHF radio on land. I am having a disagreement with someone on a Yahoo! board. He says it is fine to use a marine VHF to communicate with a land based radio.
I found this on the FCC website with regard to handheld VHF's:
MAY I USE MY HAND-HELD MARINE VHF RADIO ON LAND?
You must have a special license, called a marine utility station license, to operate a hand-held marine radio from land -- a ship station license IS NOT sufficient. You may apply for this license by filing FCC Form 601 with the FCC. To be eligible for a marine utility station license, you must generally provide some sort of service to ships or have control over a bridge or waterway. Additionally, you must show a need to communicate using hand-held portable equipment from both a ship and from coast locations. Each unit must be capable of operation while being hand-carried by an individual. The station operates under the rules applicable to ship stations when the unit is aboard a ship, and under the rules applicable to private coast stations when the unit is on land.
Would the text be the same for any other form of marine VHF?
I also found this on the same page under the heading "How to Operate your Marine VHF Radio":
WHAT COMMUNICATIONS ARE PROHIBITED?
YOU MUST NOT TRANSMIT --
* False distress or emergency messages.
* Messages containing obscene, indecent, or profane words or meaning.
* General calls, signals, or messages on channel 16, except in an emergency or if you are testing your radio (these are messages not addressed to a particular station), or
* When your ship is on land (for example, while the ship is on a trailer).
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#82364 - 07/11/07 12:59 AM
Re: Marine VHF to land radio
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Alan Spicer
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Can anyone point me to the actual text saying you cannot use a marine VHF radio on land. I am having a disagreement with someone on a Yahoo! board. He says it is fine to use a marine VHF to communicate with a land based radio.
I'm having trouble finding that exact wording myself in the:
http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_02/47cfr80_02.html
They do seem to define ship stations and utility stations. But so far I have not found that specific language. It might be that it is spread out in more than one section.
You can be "associated" with a ship on the water such as in a dinghy or other water craft, actually can have more than one. It has to be identified by the ship station license and a unit number of the associate... from what I read.
* That page you are citing on FCC seems to be this one:
http://wireless.fcc.gov/marine/fctsht14.html
And although it doesn't say where that is taken from, it seems to be pretty firm. It says for HAND-HELD you cannot operate without a Marine Utility Station License, on LAND.
Would the text be the same for any other form of marine VHF?
Well if you put a mobile station in a car or truck I would think it would have to be licensed as an Auxillary Station. If you put it in a building, I would think it would be a Coast Station.
YOU MUST NOT TRANSMIT --
* When your ship is on land (for example, while the ship is on a trailer).
That seems to make sense. I don't think they would want boats and ships being transported by truck to be communicating on Marine Radio. If you were in a shipbuilder and the boat was nearing finishing (being built or repaired/refitted) and marine radio was installed new/refitted, you might get away with a radio check. Otherwise why would you need to communicate ships business with other ships when your not in the water? Certainly not for safety or navigation. And you probably wouldn't be fishing. Time to break out the cell phone.
Some VHF handhelds have land-mobile or other non-marine frequencies that could be used in some of these situations. As long as you were licensed (if neccessary) for that frequency.
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#82367 - 07/11/07 06:36 AM
Re: Marine VHF to land radio
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You can read the FCC Rules here:
http://www.hallikainen.com/FccRules/2007/80/
I like the presentation on this site. It is run by a prominent broadcast engineer that I have the pleasure to meet when I was in college.
The rules for coast stations and mobile stations are in Part 80.
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#82375 - 07/11/07 11:03 AM
Re: Marine VHF to land radio
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Matthew McKenna
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I've had the same issue finding it in the Part 80 rules. I just can't seem to find one or two sentences that lay it all out. The only one that comes close is just like what Doug and Alan have said, land base stations require a special license.
Technically it is legal to communicate with a land based station AS LONG as both stations are properly licensed.
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#82377 - 07/11/07 12:00 PM
Re: Marine VHF to land radio
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Sec. 80.89 Unauthorized transmissions.
Stations must not:
(a) Engage in superfluous radiocommunication.
(b) Use telephony on 243 MHz.
(c) Use selective calling on 2182 kHz or 156.800 MHz.
(d) When using telephony, transmit signals or communications not addressed
to a particular station or stations. This provision does not apply to the
transmission of distress, alarm, urgency, or safety signals or messages, or
to test transmissions.
(e) Transmit while on board vessels located on land unless authorized under
a public coast station license. Vessels in the following situations are not
considered to be on land for the purposes of this paragraph:
(1) Vessels which are aground due to a distress situation;
(2) Vessels in drydock undergoing repairs; and
(3) State or local government vessels which are involved in search and
rescue operations including related training exercises.
(f) Transmit on frequencies or frequency bands not authorized on the current
station license.
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#82378 - 07/11/07 12:02 PM
Re: Marine VHF to land radio
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You can also point to the numerous citations and heavy fines the FCC has given to persons using portable radios on land while hunting. I think we have links to some of those in our FCC forum.
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#82384 - 07/11/07 12:42 PM
Re: Marine VHF to land radio
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Alan Spicer
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Vessels in the following situations are not
considered to be on land for the purposes of this paragraph:
(2) Vessels in drydock undergoing repairs; and
* It's interesting that a vessel in drydock undergoing repairs is not considered to be on land. I would not have thought that. That takes in a lot of yachts that I visit in the yards out of the water undergoing painting and refits. Most of yachts I work for are actually in the water either at normal marina dockage, at a ship yard in the water, or at a ship yard in a dry docking configuration. That means hauled out by those huge cranes and put up on many little stands and braces. I guess they can all continue to use their ship station as well as related handheld stations in that situation.
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#82386 - 07/11/07 01:02 PM
Re: Marine VHF to land radio
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Alan Spicer
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By golly, I think I've found it...
http://www.hallikainen.com/FccRules/2007/80/115/
Sec. 80.115 Operational conditions for use of associated ship units.
(a) Associated ship units may be operated under a ship station
authorization. Use of an associated ship unit is restricted as follows;
(1) It must only be operated on the safety and calling frequency 156.800 MHz
or on commercial or noncommercial VHF intership frequencies appropriate to
the class of ship station with which it is associated.
(2) Except for safety purposes, it must only be used to communicate with the
ship station with which it is associated or with associated ship units of
the same ship station. Such associated ship units may not be used from
shore.
(3) It must be equipped to transmit on the frequency 156.800 MHz and at
least one appropriate intership frequency.
(4) Calling must occur on the frequency 156.800 MHz unless calling and
working on an intership frequency has been prearranged.
(5) Power is limited to one watt.
(6) The station must be identified by the call sign of the ship station with
which it is associated and an appropriate unit designator.
(b) State or local government vehicles used to tow vessels involved in
search and rescue operations are authorized to operate on maritime mobile
frequencies as associated ship units. Such operations must be in accordance
with paragraph (a) of this section, except that the associated ship unit:
May be operated from shore; may use Distress, Safety and Calling, Intership
Safety, Liaison, U.S. Coast Guard, or Maritime Control VHF intership
frequencies; and may have a transmitter power of 25 watts.
* * * * I think this says it. A handheld VHF Marine Radio would be an Associated Ship Unit - to the vessel it was attached to. It would not be anything else (see our other discussions and the rules about Utility Station Licensing) unless it was specifically licensed to be something else.
These associated ship units "may not be used from shore" citing 47CFR Part 80.115
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#82395 - 07/11/07 05:07 PM
Re: Marine VHF to land radio
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Speedy Petey
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Thanks so much guys. I think this is more than enough to go on. 
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